Road hunters
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I hate them, So much. Hopefully I can get one off the street for a little while anyways.
Not very often you can catch one damn near mid shot.
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I'm with you on that!!!!! So SICK of people creeping past our place this time of year.
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Well got ahold of game and parks, and he sounded confident after I told him the details, hopefully the picture is good enough.
The amount of vehicles we saw today was ridiculous, I almost want to not hunt next year and just sit on the corner and take pictures of all of them.
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I hate that I have to schedule my life around when there will be less idiots driving around just to ensure better odds of being safe. Never ever in all my life have I ever experienced road hunting like here. I grew up in the mountains of Montana and when my folks would take us road hunting we were lucky to see maybe 1 or 2 vehicles the few hours we were out, not 2 dozen in 30 minutes. It's insane here.
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Have to be a minimum of 50 yards off of the right of way in GA.
What is it out there?
Looks like trespassing to me.
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The game and parks guy I talked to said a good rule to follow was on the inside of the fence.
He was not, the truck is to level and he's where he should be if he was on the same plain as the truck.
When I yelled at him (BTW not the smartest thing I did today) he said he was off to the side of the road, well there were no tracks, and he would have been stuck as the ditches were filled with snow.
Not that it matters since even then he would have been breaking the law.
The deer he shot at should have ran right onto our property, I saw where they crossed (the deer) but didn't see any blood, and none of their tracks into the land we were hunting. I'll look again tomorrow to see if they went in at night.
I sat on the hill in my pickup to make sure they didn't cross into the land we hunt. Ruined my night of hunting.
What I could make out is they were driving the land out north of us and he sat on the road to shoot any that came out, when I got near their truck to take a picture of the license plate I saw at least two more hunters (and the worst part) a kid.
This year has been terrible for people driving around where we hunt, some of them are legit as there's a home nearby and a deer camp, but a pot of it isn't. Hopefully this guy is fined, has his hunting rights removed, his gun and pickup taken away, and hopefully he tells everybody where it happened so this ends.
It is frustrating and discourages the young people we take and try and show them the legal and responsible way to hunt.
But when you have jackasses driving around scaring the deer away it's hard to do, I'll have to look at the laws again, if there's an interfering with legal hunts I'll probably be reporting more of them next year.
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My cousin is DNR in FL.
He is doing what he loves and loves what he does in the woods and swamps.
He gets his limit every year. He had to serve in the Everglades for his probationary period.
They don't start them out where they grew up hunting to avoid conflicts of interest with old buddies.He has a remote controlled deer to catch spot lighters at night.
They will be blasting away and he walks right up on them after they run out of ammo.
I wish he would post some videos.sum bitch won't die GD gun, GD scope
I know I hit that sum bitch
Mo fo buck ain't getting away from me.Hey man, what are you shooting at?
Uh oh?
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@hypo
Entrapment or not?
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Wal-Mart parking lot hunting.
He gave chase. Sorry shot.
Geez, this is insane.
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@hypo said:
@hypo
Entrapment or not?It is entrapment... by definition. ... but so are the bait-car's they use in cities to catch car thieves. I personally don't care. Once upon a time, I hated the idea of decoy deer. However, after having my own property for 8 years or so, and seeing that it's not just "a few bad apples" that trespass and shoot animals on your property... that it's actually the majority of people road hunting, I hope they catch every damn one of them.
This is all a direct result of the "community organizers" fighting to remove private ownership of anything. So people that don't go get a "hunting spot" want to drive around and shoot whatever they can find wherever they can find it.
There desperately needs to be a paradigm shift regarding how land owners and their property are viewed among "hunters." I quote hunters, because I don't view all hunters equally.
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It's not entrapment. Those people are just assholes.
We get them driving the road up to the gate of our hunting club. I make it a point to make as much noise as possible on my way in to hopefully move the deer back away from the roads.
And people trespassing in general. I can't count how many people I've run off that land.I've always viewed hunting as something kinda sacred for lack of better word. I treat it with a kind of reverence and road hunting seems disrespectful.
To me, It's more about the chase, which ultimately makes the reward better.
Deer steaks taste better when you have to stalk 10 miles through overgrown brush on a 100 degree day.
One of the biggest downers I've had was when I tagged out in the first 15 minutes of the season one year. It just didn't feel the same.
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Entrapment? Did someone force them to pull the trigger? Same with the bait car. Did someone force them to get into a car that wasn't theirs and drive off? Entrapment only provides opportunity. Criminals must still be criminals to get caught.
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@dddoo7 said:
Entrapment? Did someone force them to pull the trigger? Same with the bait car. Did someone force them to get into a car that wasn't theirs and drive off? Entrapment only provides opportunity. Criminals must still be criminals to get caught.
Very true.
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There has to be an element of coercion or force involved.
Maybe if a UC game warden was there as you walked by, handed you a rifle and said "look at that nice buck. I'm tagged out, shoot him." And then busted you after you did.
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The argument is made that if law enforcement didn't provide the opportunity, they wouldn't have done what they did. As I said, the very definition of entrapment.
A slippery slope indeed.
The true question we should be asking is; why do we need law enforcement personnel to take action against trespassers and poachers on our property? We should be able to take action ourselves. Definitive action.
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@orkan said:
The true question we should be asking is; why do we need law enforcement personnel to take action against trespassers and poachers on our property? We should be able to take action ourselves. Definitive action.
What backhoes are for.......:smile:
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@mamalukino said:
@orkan said:
The true question we should be asking is; why do we need law enforcement personnel to take action against trespassers and poachers on our property? We should be able to take action ourselves. Definitive action.
What backhoes are for.......:smile:
I think pigs might be a better option ;)
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/death-farm/Content?oid=16079
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Well I got called today by the Game Warden or whatever they're called, the guy admitted to doing it.
All he'll get will be a fine.
And he complained about me having a sidearm and my hand was resting on it, Gamer Warden told him I did nothing wrong but advised me not to have my hand on it.
Didn't even realize I was doing it at first, just kind of were I put my hand.
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Welcome to the so-called "justice" system in America. You're lucky they didn't press charges against you.
No, I'm not joking.
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@orkan said:
The true question we should be asking is; why do we need law enforcement personnel to take action against trespassers and poachers on our property? We should be able to take action ourselves. Definitive action.
Because people would start shooting Girl Scouts who were trying to sell them cookies. Or mailmen. Or Jehovas wittinesses. Or whatever.
I'd trust you to discriminate between the people who need shooting and those who don't. And I'd trust you to hit them when the shooting time came.
The rest of the population not so much.People deserve to be shot after their fair and impartial trial.
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@ragnarnar said:
@orkan said:
The true question we should be asking is; why do we need law enforcement personnel to take action against trespassers and poachers on our property? We should be able to take action ourselves. Definitive action.
Because people would start shooting Girl Scouts who were trying to sell them cookies. Or mailmen. Or Jehovas wittinesses. Or whatever.
I'd trust you to discriminate between the people who need shooting and those who don't. And I'd trust you to hit them when the shooting time came.
The rest of the population not so much.People deserve to be shot after their fair and impartial trial.
I'm not advocating shooting people just for trespassing. However, I should be able to directly detain them, if necessary, and fine them if I see fit, directly. ... and if things head south, obviously I'm well within my rights to defend my own life with lethal force.
Law enforcement getting involved in that equation does nothing but embolden the perpetrator. Game wardens and other municipal and county law enforcement officers will flat out tell you they are unable to do much of anything without bulletproof evidence in the form of video, pictures, or a complete confession. They won't tell you this in an interview, but if you get them in a relaxed situation where they feel safe, it's amazing the shit leo's say.
I certainly am not one to believe the lie that law enforcement has a legal responsibility to defend you or your property. ... because they don't. The argument that then everyone would just shoot everybody if we were allowed to take direct action and bring immediate consequences is BS. I have no doubt some idiots would do things like that... but then we could take direct action against THEM as well. As it stands right now, if you go confront a trespasser and it goes bad, the landowner has just as high a likelihood of getting sued, arrested, or imprisoned as the guy that started it by trespassing in the first place.
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:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Yup, that thought crossed my mind. Game Warden seemed pretty cool with it, Just said you probably shouldn't do it.
Now that my Drivers license deal is taken care of I can get my CCW and not worry about it.
I typed this earlier and didn't hit enter I guess.
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I always carry a CCW when I am hunting...even during muzzle loader season. It is legal here to carry with permit, but I can't use it for hunting except during gun season. I've never killed a deer with a handgun. Would be fun.
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@mamalukino said:
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
The sad part is, in the event you actually shot and killed someone trespassing on your property... a poster like that could cost you the rest of your life in prison.
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@dddoo7 same here, as the laws go. I have always had a pistol or AR in my truck for when I had to deal with trespassers, poachers, or whatever.
But 9mm isn't good to hunt with. Having the CCW will eliminate that issue.
And I will be a bit more confident hunting in a couple places I've encountered mountain lions on.
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@orkan that's what the state says. That's all I meant.
I have no doubts a 9mm is capable of taking a deer with correct shot placement.
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@rhyno said:
that's what the state says. That's all I meant.
Understood. That's why I asked for qualification, as I've shot lots of critters with 9mm, .40, and .45's... and wondered if you knew something I didn't in that regard.
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Nope, killed a 800lb calf this year with it, poor thing, but that was point blank to the head.
Nebraska states for handguns 400ftlbs at 50 yards for a pistol.
Which actually I think Underwood has some loads that would achieve.
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I wouldn't want to have to shoot a big kitty more than once if it got on me.
Darn rear claws in your belly would be as bad as the front and the teeth.
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You better carry a 44magnum then.
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@orkan
I have an ultralight 44 that I bought to carry while hiking in Yellowstone. I sometimes carry it when hunting as it would have more than enough knockdown for anything I might encounter. It is really not much more difficult to carry than my glock 19.
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But how bad is it to shoot compared to a glock 19?
Kidding aside I've been looking at a glock 20 10mm for the same purpose
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I considered the glock 20...but real world numbers put the 44 mag head and shoulders above the 10mm in regards to power. I know what the Internet guys say...but I can load a 44 mag much hotter than I can load my bros 10mm.
Unlike the glock 19, the 44 is a beast to shoot. I can hit what I am aiming at...but it took several hundred rounds to get there. I also wear a glove if I am shooting more than 6 rounds.
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I have a Glock 21 that I keep thinking about getting a 10mm barrel for. Just to have some fun.
Also don't forget about the 41mag. A little less recoil than a 44, but still tons of knock down power.
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@dddoo7 said:
I know what the Internet guys say...
The perceived killing power of handguns is MASSIVELY over-rated on the internet. I learned that quite quickly when I started trying to kill stuff with handguns.
That's why I carry a 9mm. NONE of the compact rounds will do the trick in one or even two shots. ... or at least you can't possibly count on that. You need to hit a nerve center/transmission point or a major structural joint. In order to do that, you need to be very accurate, and you might need to shoot many times, quickly. 9mm is king among defensive handgun rounds for that reason. 40's, and 45's don't kill any better than a 9mm, and they often times are worse. I know this for a fact. High velocity, and pump lots of rounds into precise targets. That's how you kill with handguns.
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@dddoo7 said:
I considered the glock 20...but real world numbers put the 44 mag head and shoulders above the 10mm in regards to power. I know what the Internet guys say...but I can load a 44 mag much hotter than I can load my bros 10mm.
Oh absolutely. 44 mag blows away the 10mm. No pun intended.
I like the capacity of the glock 20 over a big bore magnum wheel gun. And the reduced recoil. There are downsides to an automatic, but loaded with appropriate ammunition I don't think a grizzly, would be able to tell the difference.
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The saga continues. After much nagging from some family members and friends I reactivated my Facebook account.
I posted the picture and the story about the road hunter, and the update that he got fined.
Well today, some stupid bitch got on there.
"I'm curious when your going to mention that you got in trouble for all the witnesses (the land owner that the deer was on was in his pickup doing the guided hunt) who saw you recklessly driving and reaching for your pistol infront of a 9 yr old boy... Your fucking dumbass and the exact people who shouldnt fucking carry you piece of shit"
"Go for it. Cause it wasn't a deer. Nice eye sight. And it was private property. That's why the fine cost less than a tank of gas.. Way to go hero. The people in the shelter belt knew who you were and said you were a fucking joke. Get a life and your facts right. You can look up the fine if you don't believe me. The game warden wasnt concerned at all. And you assaulted them with your vehicle and reaching for pistol. I hope you get this medicine you deserve. 9? Offenses??? Holy shit! Can't believe he doesn't go to court or a bigger fine. You such a pathetic liar living on hopes that others will fail"
Uhhh, should have never gotten back on Facebook. I would not be surprised if they contacted the police to try and charge me with assault.
Suppose I should call a lawyer.
I did put myself in a bad position I guess.
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I'm incapable of taking people who write like that seriously. I read it 3 times before I halfway understood it. She's clearly butt hurt her people got fined.
Shitty situation to be in, though. Good luck. Keep us posted.
And if it comes to it remember not to say ANYTHING until you have a lawyer present.
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Sorry, just saw this.
Shame you're doing the right thing and catching hell.
You also reaffirmed to me why my Facebook account hasn't been updated in a few years.I own property here and end up chasing people off practically every year. Generally mouth breathing idiots. I also carry when hunting (legally) although I originally thought it was redundant.
I have a couple opinions on why road hunting but no proof. Hope that doesn't get me in trouble?
First, I feel we live in a laissez faire society. Very few want to get involved or potentially take the hit for standing for something.
Second, they're lazy. Dropping by a bunch of places to seek permission requires forethought, a little time and the balls to ask.
Third, they're cowards. It takes a little courage to walk up to someone you probably don't know and ask if you can shoot stuff on his property. You also have to deal with rejection.
Fourth, immediate gratification. Texts, email, Google, etc. we can get everything else right now, why not a deer?
