Starter list.

[hypo]

Quickly ran up a tab over at Precision.

I will have to trim this down to just 223 for now.
It is all the little tools that add up.

Redding Match-Grade Model 3BR Powder Measure Redding Match-Grade Model 3BR Powder Measure
1 $165.29 EA $165.29 X

Lee Classic Cast Single Stage Press Lee Classic Cast Single Stage Press
1 $115.99 EA $115.99 X

Lee Safety Prime Small and Large Primer Feeder Lee Safety Prime Small and Large Primer Feeder
1 $22.49 EA $22.49 X

Forster 223 Remington Full Length Sizing Die Forster 223 Remington Full Length Sizing Die
1 $35.89 EA $35.89 X

Forster 223 Remington Ultra Micrometer Seater Die Forster 223 Remington Ultra Micrometer Seater Die
1 $72.49 EA $72.49 X

Hornady Straight Lock-N-Load O.A.L. Gauge Hornady Straight Lock-N-Load O.A.L. Gauge
1 $31.79 EA $31.79 X

Hornady 223 Remington Lock-N-Load Modified Case Hornady 223 Remington Lock-N-Load Modified Case
1 $5.99 EA $5.99 X

Hornady 270 Winchester Lock-N-Load Modified Case Hornady 270 Winchester Lock-N-Load Modified Case
In Stock
1$5.99 EA $5.99 X

Hornady 30-06 Springfield Lock-N-Load Modified Case Hornady 30-06 Springfield Lock-N-Load Modified Case
1 $5.99 EA $5.99 X

Hornady Lock-N-Load Headspace Gauge Bushing Kit Hornady Lock-N-Load Headspace Gauge Bushing Kit
1 $29.39 X

Hornady Lock-N-Load Bullet Comparator Complete Set with 14 Inserts Hornady Lock-N-Load Bullet Comparator Complete Set with
I $49.99 EA $49.99 X

L.E. Wilson 223 Remington Regular Case Gage L.E. Wilson 223 Remington Regular Case Gage
`1 $26.49 EA $26.49 X

Lee Universal Shellholders (Pkg of 11) Lee Universal Shellholders (Pkg of 11)
1 $32.99 EA $32.99 X

Imperial Sizing Die Wax (2 oz.) Imperial Sizing Die Wax (2 oz.)
1 $8.79 EA $8.79 X

Lee Deluxe Quick Trim Case Trimmer Lee Deluxe Quick Trim Case Trimmer
1 $19.99 EA $19.99 X

Hornady Sure-Loc Ring (Pkg. of 6) Hornady Sure-Loc Ring (Pkg. of 6)
1 $18.19 EA $18.19 X

Forster Stuck Case Remover Forster Stuck Case Remover
1 $20.49 EA $20.49 X

Lee Universal Decapping Die Lee Universal Decapping Die
1 $13.99 EA $13.99 X

Forster Short Special Decapping Pin (cases with Small Flash Holes) - 5 Pack Forster Short Special Decapping Pin (cases with Small Flash Holes) - 5 Pack
1 $4.99 EA $4.99 X
Lee 223 Remington Quick Trim Die Lee 223 Remington Quick Trim Die
1 $8.99 EA $8.99 X

Lee 30-06 Springfield Quick Trim Die Lee 30-06 Springfield Quick Trim Die
1$8.99 EA $8.99 X

Lee 270 Winchester Quick Trim Die Lee 270 Winchester Quick Trim Die
1 Update $8.99 EA $8.99 X

Forster Universal Bullet Puller Forster Universal Bullet Puller
1 $16.49 EA $16.49 X

Hornady 22 Caliber (.224") 75 Gr. Boat Tail Hollow Point Match Bullets (Box of 100) Hornady 22 Caliber (.224") 75 Gr. Boat Tail Hollow Point Match Bullets (Box of 100)
1 $18.99 EA $18.99 X

Nosler 22 Caliber (.224") 69 Gr. Hollow Point Boat Tail Custom Competition Bullets (Box of 250) Nosler 22 Caliber (.224") 69 Gr. Hollow Point Boat Tail Custom Competition Bullets (Box of 250)
1 $46.43 EA $46.43 X
CCI Benchrest #4 Small Rifle Primer (Box of 1,000) CCI Benchrest #4 Small Rifle Primer (Box of 1,000)
1 $56.99 EA $56.99 X

Nosler 30 Caliber (.308") 155 Gr. Hollow Point Boat Tail Custom Competition Bullets (Box of 100) Nosler 30 Caliber (.308") 155 Gr. Hollow Point Boat Tail Custom Competition Bullets (Box of 100)
1 $26.36 EA $26.36 X

Subtotal: $883.43

I have a Redding 30-06 NM Competition dies set, a cheap LEE 270 die set
1000 CCI 34 large rifle primers for the 30-06
pound of IMR 4064 and IMR 4831SC
RCBS 10-10 beam scale.
Franklin digital calipers.
Lyman EZ trim rifle 5 pilot trim set for .223, .243, .270, 30-06 & .308
Lyman Case prep multi tool
LE Wilson 270 case gauge.

Box of 110 grain Hornady 277 VMax
box of 50 Nosler 270 brass
100 fired Lapua 30-06
300 fired mixed 223 either PMC or Federal LC

I will eventually upgrade the press and scale
Oops need check weights. Not in the list.

I see I might be able to save all the duplicated trim tools.
Use a dipper for the powder thrower now or the cheap lee thrower
Need a case cleaner or buy pre prepped cases in bulk and just load them after resizing.
Settle on just 223 for now or the Garand and 270 since I already have dies.

What am I missing or can I delete?
The starter press will get used in the future just for decapping since it had the center primer drop

Need a better powder for the 69-75 grain until I get a barrel faster than 1-9 twist.
Delete the 75 BTHP and stick with 69 s for now? Sierras were not in stock.
A dual use powder for 30-06 and heavy 5.56 would be nice.

[hypo]

Dropped the Hornady case gauge and dummy shells. Kept the comparator set though.
I can buy a tap for a few dollars and use small threaded rod to make them.
Getting into a Garand will be a trick.
Lee Perfect powder measure
Dropped all the Lee trimming items and the universal decapper
Right about $561 now.
My budget was $600

I have a case holder block
Need funnel

[dddoo7]

I was going to say...I would drop the expensive powder thrower in trade for the $20 lee and a trickler. I would take your extra money and get a Forster coax instead of the lee press.

Also...I still don't have a stuck case remover. If you use lube properly you shouldn't need one.

[hypo]

Will I need a case and bullet run out concentricity measuring tool? Of course I will eventually.
Need a 0-1" micrometer as well.
Will a ball anvil micrometer serve dual use for case thickness and bullet diameter measurement?
If I go top shelf that can be $$$ for Mitotoyo calipers and micrometers. Easily $300-$400 for both.

[norcal_in_az]

Did I miss the scale?

[dddoo7]

I don't use my case run out tool and I don't own a micrometer. For just starting out a good caliper will be sufficient.

[hypo]

@norcal_in_az RCBS 10-10 beam

Dropped the primers and will buy primers and powder locally to save haz mat charges.

He doesn't take PayPal so I will split it up or just wait till Black Friday. Time to refine the list.
Dropped the MTM boxes.
Added back the universal decapper.
Forster says to use one for military crimped brass.
Put back $300 per week and I got it. I don''t want to dip into savings even though my delayed tax return just came in.
Droppped stepson off of car insurance. Saves $200 per month right there.

Thanks guys.

Seems like there is really no middle ground on powder measures anymore. Cheap Lee or go all the way to a ChargeMaster.
Adding each caliber will be about $100 each plus bullets and brass.
Not too bad there.

Total is sitting right at $600 plus $36 for shipping.

[rhyno]

I don't think you probably need a tune micrometer, but if you do Travis recommended one to me that was cheap and worked well, I'll see if I can find what it was called.

[rhyno]

Here it is:
http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/micrometers/0-1-tube-micrometer

I've only used it a few times, I hate turning necks.

I also don't check run out.

I would also recommend going with a Forster co-ax if you can swing it, it's just an awesome press and well built, no need for shell holders.

[hypo]

forster Coax reloading Press
Forster 223 full length die
Forster 223 micrometer seating die
Hornaday bullet BTO comparator bulltet set
Imperial sizing wax
Forster spare decapping pins
Nosler CC 69 grain BTHP .223
Nosler CC 155 BTHP .30
Lee Perfect Powder Measure
Hornady Powder funnel
Frankford #2 case tray
Frankford #5 case tray
Lee Universal DeCapping die
Lee Decapping die replacement pin

Is there a better hosting service for pictures than Photobucket?
It is getting tremendously buggy with pop-ups.

[mamalukino]

@hypo Imgur works real well

http://imgur.com/

[hypo]

Looks like H4895 will work for my
69 grain 223
150 grain 30-06 Garand
110 grain 270 ,
150 grain 7.5X55 Schmidt Rubin
150 Grain 7.62X54r Finnish M39 Nagant at 150 grain.

Just went through the Hodgdon Data site.
They all seem like reasonable pressures too.
Swiss is large rifle primer... Add that to the list
There is another $250 for dies and primers and bullets.
I need to slug the bores on the two milsurps.
That is what the micrometer would be for.

[mamalukino]

@hypo I just found an 8 lber of H4895 and will start some work ups for .223 later this month.

[hypo]

@rhyno
Those are very reasonable,
If Travis says they will work for our purposes all the better for my confidence.

Even found some digital depth gauges to measure primer seating depth for less than $20.
Not Mito or Starret though at that price. could use dial cailipers.
http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/depth-gages?maximum_measuring_range=1"%2F25mm

[hypo]

I am lucky that there is a store close to my job that tries to keep a decent selection of Powder in stock.
Every now and then I drive down I-24 and stop at the Outpost Armory right by the Barrett Factory in TN.
Pretty good selection there too.
Not many places I can look at Sako and Anschutz rimfires on the rack along with Tenex and Center-X and RWS ammo but that is one of them.
They usually have a TRG in stock too along with the company rifles since Mr Barrett also owns the store.
Love's Truck Stop right across the street too and a decent Wing place to eat.

[rhyno]

Benchmark is another good powder, I used it in my at when I had it.

[norcal_in_az]

Tell ya what Hypo, I've been given stuff from a few members here, and I'd like to pay it forward. If you want I'll donate to you...

-Gemeni 20 Electronic Scale. Its a cheap little battery powered scale, but its fairly accurate.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-GEMINI-20-Portable-MilliGram/dp/B0012TDNAM
-A few hundred pieces of LC .223 Brass
-I have a ton of foam trays with boxes for boxing up your .223 loads.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2138225879/midwayusa-ammo-box-with-styrofoam-tray-223-remington-30-carbine-50-round-cardboard-white

[hypo]

I made an offer on a Coax tonight. Will do it on Paypal.

Midway has the Chargemasters on sale with the rebate it will be $225..
woo hoo!

My kids asked me what I want for the holidays.
I shared my shopping list and told them what calibers I have and what powders would be proper.
I said boxes of bullets by the 100 are about $25-$45 dollars and powder is about that per pound or less.
They know my favorite stores. Told em 223 , 30 cal, 270 and 312 for the M39.
H4895 powder and CFE223 and Power Pro 4000 and 2000 to experiment with.
A vibrator and a big bag of rice... That raised their eyebrows.
I showed them Greg's article.
Also got out what supplies I already have and showed them the basic process with my 270 brass and bullets and dies.
Then I showed them the price of a box of Fiocchi 223 loaded with 69 SMK at $26 per box of 20 and they could see the savings from reloading.

I usually spot them at least $100 a week to help with gas and groceries between three stepkids.
My two are self sufficient. Dalton is 19 and has his second baby now but is working as a plumber apprentice thankfully.
He is getting snipped on my wife's insurance. Nip that in the bud.

Thanks you for the offer Norcal.
The Brass would be awesome.
I can pay the shipping and the cost of items if you have a paypal account and can send me the info.

[hypo]

@hypo
All Forster products inbound.
Coax $280
223 micrometer seating $70
223 full length
coax short handle
collet puller die

$421 with free shipping

Next week I get the rest of the items from Precision.
Thanks to norcal for the tumbled brass.

[hypo]

Here is the local store by my job. Decent selection usually on powder and bullets and primers.
I can avoid haz mat charges.

[hypo]

Two boxes were delivered today.
One from Forster and one from AZ.
Thanks Norcal.

Now to get home.
I am in Ft Meyers right now heading in to get my loads for the night.

Thanks a lot.

[norcal_in_az]

There's a few more than 200 cases there. The first 20-30 or so, I didn't check the headstamp and then found some mixed stamps in there. I'm pretty sure I got 200 LC pieces there for you though.

[hypo]

200 is plenty to experiment with.
I will probably put the Coax on a block and clamp it into my Black and Decker Workmate and sit in the living room watching TV to start decapping, and cleaning up the primer pockets. Then full length resize after comparison to a fired case from my rifle.
How far back would it have go for the HBAR?

[mamalukino]

@hypo Semi-auto bump back about .005

[norcal_in_az]

Yup .005. I use the small base dies for my AR as well. I'm sure the regular die would work, but the small base is just a little extra insurance.

Did you get a crimp cutter Hypo?

[hypo]

I have the Lyman Case prep multi tool.
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/case-prep/case-prep-multi-tool.php

Will that do for now?
A Dillon or RCBS primer pocket swager would be nice or a powered prep center.

[dddoo7]

That will work...and will be necessary with the crimped primer pockets on the LC brass, but it is not ideal.

When primer pockets are crimped some of the brass is pushed into the primer pocket to hold the primers in. The reamer cuts that brass out to allow a new primer to go into the case. A swage pushes this brass back to where it belongs instead of cutting it out. The Dillon 600 works well and comes set up for most calibers...and for a few dollars more can be adapted to the rest.

[mamalukino]

Not to step on anyone's foots, but this is a good deal.
Some very good new brass, annealed and crimp less, postage included........
https://brassmanbrass.com/product/monthly-special-223-5-56-new-unprimed-lake-city-brass-500-ct/

[hypo]

Freedom Munitions says new primed @ $0.13 each.
$65 for 500.

Ever seen the quality?
Worth a try?

https://www.freedommunitions.com/223-primed-processed-brass.html

[norcal_in_az]

@hypo said:

Freedom Munitions says new primed @ $0.13 each.
$65 for 500.

Ever seen the quality?
Worth a try?

https://www.freedommunitions.com/223-primed-processed-brass.html

Primed brass would also have the $35 hazmat fee too, wouldn't it? That would kind of deal the deal.

[hypo]

Penny a primer.

https://www.freedommunitions.com/ammo-reloading-components/brass/unprimed-brass/223-unprimed-processed-brass.html

[hypo]

$76.14 with shipping for 500 primed.
No Haz Mat.
Ammo is ORM D as is primed brass I guess.
Primers themselves are probably HAZ MAT.

5-10 days to process and ship.
I guess it will be December till I see it.
Fingers crossed.

[hypo]

RCBS small base resize die
CFE 223
100 Hornady 68 hpbt
Imperial sizing wax
Powder funnel
Extra decapping pins
Extra Forster die rings.
Will get to work tonight.

[dddoo7]

Hornady rings work well too and I prefer them over Forster.

[rhyno]

I like the Forster rings because they're a little thicker and take up the slot slop a little more.

No idea if it matters or not.

[hypo]

Glad I bought the RCBS small base sizer die today.
UPS lost the Forster Full length sizing die.
The coax box had been re-taped with clear packing tape and and an empty UPS plastic bag stuffed inside.
They did get the short handle, primer cup, long handle, Coax small parts bag, collet puller , and the Micrometer seating die in the box.

USPs got the box from NORCAL here in top shape.

Let me say, WOW. The Coax is so smooooooth.
It make s a nice swishing sound as it moves effortlessly.
I think I can just clamp it to my desk for now.
The desk is an old style wooden teacher's desk with the slide out side wings that are 3/4" thick.
Only pulling them out 5 inches is very sturdy. I could stand on them.
Plenty of room for the scale and the other items.
Now to dig up some C clamps or make a night run to Home Depot or Wally World.

The Micrometer seating die is perfectly tensioned by the internal spring.
NO slack or wobble and just enough resistance to turning with the internal spring that the adjustments are very easy to set and they will hold.

Looking at picture and reading opinions still didn't prepare me for how nice the Coax and Forster dies are.
Thanks for the advice everyone.

[rhyno]

Yup, the Co-ax is amazing. Well worth the cost.

[hypo]

Added a cordless drill to replace the last one that disappeared and was probably pawned without my consent by someone that no longer lives in this household.

Got a short piece of 2X12 that I will drill and mount the Coax to and then clamp that to my desk.
Can also mount the charge thrower to it.
May even add some holes to hold cases.
Picked up two C Clamps.

The Brass looks great.
Thanks.

[hypo]

http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r764/SuperTruckerTom/reloading has begun_zpsm6ez9e2z.jpg?t=1479535018

[hypo]

About to load 30 for an OCW and the darn battery is dead in the calipers.
I hope it is the battery. Got all cases full length resized and de-primed.
Got 50 fully prepped. Trimmed and deburred and inside and outside case mouth and primer pockets chamfered cleaned and uniformed.

Setting up Fortser micrometer seater now.
Any suggestions?

Heading out to get breakfast for everyone and a battery.
Will be making noise after lunch then to bed.

[dddoo7]

Load 1 round and make sure it works and chambers right before loading all 30. Also...I would not let the bolt slam home until I knew that the round was right. Just a suggestion. Pulling one round is easier than pulling 30.

[hypo]

That is why I also got the puller.
Thanks 007
I have blisters from the Lyman tools
Enjoyed getting them.

[norcal_in_az]

I just got a Hornady Case Prep Trio, just because of the sore fingers and hands I got from the Lyman hand tools. I don't think its a lot faster than the hand tools, but it sure is easier.

[hypo]

Got the battery for the calipers and measured trimmed ones.
Most were 1.765 to 1.773, I see a Wilson or something in the future.
Since everyone is awake now I can chuck it in the drill.
Easy to go past 1.755. Trimmed then chamfered again.
I think I will do all primer pocket first then change out tool bits to trim and chamfer.
Priming is slow. Stole my wife's tweezers.
Easy to tell which still have some crimp left in them,
Will drop them all into the upper to test before going to powder.
Loading magazine length but will push one out to see how long it can go.

[hypo]

2.38 OAL is nowhere near the lands but will not fit the Factory Colt 20 round magazine.
Dang this thing has a long jump at 2.25 mag length.
2.49 jammed
My resize drop in and out easily.

[rhyno]

Ouch long throats are a pain.

[norcal_in_az]

Pretty typical for a factory cut chamber. Is that Colt a 5.56 chamber? That adds some length too.

[hypo]

http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r764/SuperTruckerTom/first 3_zpsx6z7sikr.jpg

2.26 Overall Length barely fits the magazine.
These have 25 grains of Hodgdon CFE233 Powder.
My first three.
Getting OAL set took 4 wasted cases and bullets. A Dollar in parts.
Will be getting the Hornady OAL length measurement system.
Time to punch some paper then take a nap before work.
Heading to Ft Meyers Florida.
Good start to the week.

[dddoo7]

If your trimmer is set right it won't go past whatever you have set no matter how long you turn it.

To set the oal...start long and gradually get shorter then there are no wasted anything.

[rhyno]

When I have magazine restrictions to work with, I load based on that, and then hope that bullet doesn't mind being jumped.