Why not strive for 1/4moa?



  • Seems like Applied Ballistics is busy tearing down their image this week. First the hornady dust-up... now this stupid crap.

    http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5514-bolt-action-rifles/14939877-1-4-vs-1-moa-rifles

    I can't tell you how many times I've let shooters hop on one of my rifles only to realize they are actually a pretty good shot. Much more so than their rifles would lead them to believe.



  • Wrong thread. This belongs in the "stupid people from other forums" thread.

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  • @orkan said:

    I can't tell you how many times I've let shooters hop on one of my rifles only to realize they are actually a pretty good shot. Much more so than their rifles would lead them to believe.

    Uh, hello! :wave:
    This applies to me! :D Love my Savage, but man I learned I can shoot way better than that gun allows me to after hopping behind Orkan's guns.

    "A woman trying to function like a man is as ridiculous as a man trying to be like a woman. A unisex society is a senseless society—a society dangerously out of order. " - DP

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  • Hey Greg, AB says my 1 MOA 700 is good enough. I should stop trying to make it better then.

    I'd love to get my rifle to shoot constant 1/2 MOA groups. It would sure make getting a first round hit much easier.



  • @norcal_in_az said:

    Hey Greg, AB says my 1 MOA 700 is good enough. I should stop trying to make it better then.

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  • I have trouble enough hitting a 2moa target with a 1/4 moa gun at 600 yards. I cannot imagine having to deal with a 1 moa gun and still trying to hit 2 moa targets. Once in a while when the stars align and the wind is not too bad I can hit my 1 moa circle repeatedly at 600 yards. That would not be possible with a 1 moa rifle unless one just happened to get lucky.

    I understand where he is coming from. A 1/4 moa rifle is useless without knowing how to read wind. However...if I don't know whether I misread the wind or the rifle is off I can't learn anything . I wouldn't want to even begin stretching out until I was at least down to 1/2 moa consistently.

    JMHO



  • @dddoo7 said:

    However...if I don't know whether I misread the wind or the rifle is off I can't learn anything .

    EXACTLY! I consider idiotic shit like he's spewing to be some of the most toxic things for new shooters, specifically for that reason.

    The same goes for people that advocate NOT computing for spin drift. It sets people backward SIGNIFICANTLY.



  • His point of view is really simple. You can't sell books and videos to guys who already have 1/4 MOA guns and can make 1MOA hits at 1000 yards. Those guys already know what it takes. But you tell a new shooter that he doesn't need to spend the money to get a 1/4 MOA rifle and just buy his books instead, sure sounds good to a new shooter.

    I agree that there are lots of guys that claim their gun can shoot 1/2 MOA but can't make a hit to save their life. Doesn't mean a book with a formula in it is going to make the hit for you.



  • It's been an interesting couple of weeks for AB.

    Shooting a crappy gun is frustrating.

    More frustrating then shooting a great gun crappy.

    When I know it's me, it's fairly easy to fix.

    When I feel like I do everything right and the results are crap it's beyond frustrating.


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