Anschutz First Time Out

  • Made it to the range yesterday about 2:00 pm with a friend of mine and did some paper punching with my new acquisitions and his 17 HMR and an old Mossberg Chuckster 22 Magnum. It's way too early in the game for me to make any judgements on the Anschutz but pleased I am. It does seem to show preference in ammunition however this may all change with a different optic and a little cleanup of the trigger. The trigger bottoms out at around 2.5 pounds and is creepy right now but that can be fixed to an extent according to the manual. If I understand correctly another trigger may be dropped in but I suspect they are a bit pricey. The thumb hole stock is going to take a little getting used to but now's the time, I have three other rifles sporting them. I shot all the groups jumping from one brand of ammo to the other without a bunch of fowling shots so nothing is definitive but I am leaning toward Center x and on the cheap end believe it or not CCI sub sonic. That weird looking Eley Rifle Match with the baby powder lubricant didn't seem to want to go but this doesn't mean anything. Hell, I'm just learning myself. I have already pulled that Leupold scope off and it's going to the classifieds later tonight and maybe the other one I got as well. New eyeballs coming next week if I can find the rings. When I shot the Center x I made a couple of adjustments to the scope and that was it.

  • @bigfoot Yup, bout what I'd expect to see there. If you luck into a lot number of ammo it really likes it might improve a bit. Give RWS R50 a try. ... and yes you'll need at least 10-15 or more foulers with different ammo to settle things in when you switch from one to the other, or the results will be useless.

    Never could get the flyers eliminated with any 64 I've ever tried.

    Do yourself a favor and stay with rings that clamp right on to the 11mm dovetail. Going to a rail of some kind can lead to much trouble. Kelbly's makes decent sets on the upper end, with anschutz usa making some really lightweight ones that work nicely.

    If that thing extracts and ejects 100%, you've already got a nicer anschutz than most owners. ;) Pretty character in that piece of wood too.

    What are you doing for a scope?

  • @orkan
    Yes sir, flyers were in every one. I have one brick minus a box of RWS in the orange box. Paid $4.50 each for it and I think it's all gone from the sale. My friend shot a group with CCI sub's and almost made it in one hole. One of them snuck out and clipped a half moon outside the hole and ruined it. He started talking trash immediately. The hole was about the size of a Big Chief pencil if you know what that is, still pretty good. I guess that S&B will be riding on this thing and may I ask why a rail is not a good idea? I know stacking parts isn't the best set up. I book marked the Kelby site you suggested from another one of my inquiries.
    If that thing extracts and ejects 100%, you've already got a nicer anschutz than most owners. ;)
    Man are you psychic? Hell no, you know guns. I thought it was just me but it dumps the empties right back in the well. I am not about to slam the bolt back every time to clear the gun. That ejector is made to the bottom of the receiver. I didn't think it had one at first, maybe some kind of way for you to keep the empties from flying out. I guess you live with that crap. I had to turn this thing on it's side almost after every shot. Guess if you were shooting off hand it wouldn't happen but on the bench it sucks.

  • @bigfoot I have no technical explanation of why rails cock up the accuracy/precision of anschutz rifles... but somehow I ended up on the phone with Anschutz North America and talked with them about how hard it was to find rails for my 80's era heavy match 54 actions... they told me that every one of them would shoot better with 11mm rings.

    ... and they were right. Every single one of them does. So there's that. My take is that if you have an annie that isn't shooting well, throwing a rail on might help, might hurt, or might not do anything. Only thing I can confirm is that for some reason completely unknown to me, it matters. Granted you need to be shooting some pretty fine 22lr, asking a lot of it, before you'd be likely to notice.

    I was able to tune the extractors on my annies to fix the vast majority of the ejection issues. Pretty disappointing to have a $3000 54.18 MSR show up and eject about 3 of 5 cases. There are numerous ideas online which you can try. A google search should turn up a lot. You can go slow, making tiny adjustments and sneak in on it... or just order a few extractors. I wanted to keep original parts in these collectors I have, so I went real easy on it and it took a ton of time.

    The fact that Anschutz is still selling rifles that systematically refuse to eject with an optic mounted, should be something they should feel horrific shame over. ... yet if they cared, a $180 savage mkII wouldn't best their operation out of the box 99% of the time.

  • One can only imagine what goes on in the receiver when a rail is attached. I haven't ordered anything yet and looked at DIP and I see a rail offered. This receiver is drilled and tapped and the top of the rail has "fish scales" machined into it. Don't know what purpose they serve as I barely have my feet wet in this part of the rimfire world. The Leupold scope was mounted with Talley rings and they were gorilla tight I do know that. I guess a test would be to set a DIP rail on and if accuracy goes way south toss it and put some rings on of high quality. Hopefully there won't be any permanent damage or distortion of the receiver. As far as the ejection issue I sure hope it gets better but I don't see how. Are the extractors left and right handed? That old Remington I have sure is. i thought one was worn more than the other. I haven't had any extractor issues but only ran less than a hundred rounds through this gun

  • @bigfoot said in Anschutz First Time Out:

    Hopefully there won't be any permanent damage or distortion of the receiver.

    There wasn't in my case. Unlikely, but do take care, as many of the rails install using set screws which can badly mar the surface.

    @bigfoot said in Anschutz First Time Out:

    As far as the ejection issue I sure hope it gets better but I don't see how.

    Unlikely to get better on its own. You'll need to modify extractor.

    @bigfoot said in Anschutz First Time Out:

    Are the extractors left and right handed? That old Remington I have sure is. i thought one was worn more than the other. I haven't had any extractor issues but only ran less than a hundred rounds through this gun

    There's only one true extractor in most all rimfires. The one closest to the ejection port is always the main extractor. The one opposite is generally just ejection assist. If both had full grip on the case rim, then the ejector wouldn't be able to pop the rim out from behind both hooks.

  • Ok, I understand what you're saying about the weak side of the extractors. I may not be steady enough to remove just enough material to do the modification and like they say you can take it off faster than you can put it back on. Better have a spare when you fire up the Dremel tool. The DIP rail can be a direct mount if the receiver is drilled and tapped or can use set screws. You have to specify which option at the checkout phase when ordering. This one I have is drilled so that is decided. I sure don't like getting rough with the bolt to get a clean ejection. My cheap Savage's bolt stop has been pounded until it actually rolled the front edge on the bolt. The metal is so soft a couple of swipes with a file removed the burr. Thanks for all the information I will do a search on the extractor issues, can't shoot it's pouring down rain and probably for the next four days. I turned the heater off and the AC back on.

  • @bigfoot said in Anschutz First Time Out:

    Better have a spare when you fire up the Dremel tool.

    If you use a dremel for this op, I hope you like wasting time and money.

    This is a hand stoning type of op fella. ;) Maybe a bench grinder/sander if a guy has some real good ones and a steady hand. A bench vise and some fine files could do the trick as well.

  • Figured I would get a rise out of somebody. Dremel sounds too much like demolition and in some instances is a demolition tool. Now a Dremel with a cratex point on it can be a handy doodad. I did my share of polishing and de-burring in the shop I worked in. I made some little razor blade film cutters about the size of a Zippo lighter that required a lot of polishing and fitting to work. Finished they cost about what a cheap Glock does. I don't understand why the Germans don't rectify the ejection issues, it's aggravating.

  • Nice looking rig. I didn't see that one or you wouldn't own it now. Before you go completely blind over the ejection issue be sure to solvent clean the chamber. Almost all target grade 22LR uses soft lube that wipes into the chamber as it loads and this is enough to drag on the cases as you eject from a tight chamber. A 22LR pistol cleaning rod and a can of Zippo lighter fluid will remove built up lube quickly. Also, make sure the ejector slots and springs are whistle clean. Before you go stoning on your extractors, order a set of new ones and their springs from Champions Choice. Anschutz doesn't see ejection as an issue because they expect you to clean your rifle far more extensively and often than most of us do.

    Orkan has good advice wrt RWS R-50 as that is the ammo Anschutz uses to verify their rifles. You might also try Eley Tenex Pistol which is also a round nose bullet. In my experience, most rifles shoot the round nose rounds more precisely than they do the EPS style. Realize too that the lube on target ammo ages and loses the volitiles that keep it soft in time. If your ammo isn't greasy it will shoot better if you wipe it and relube with Emmert's or 50:50 beeswax:petrolatum mix. Dip and drip then touch off the noses.

    If you're going to be shooting rats, gophers and crows, skip the target ammo and get some plated solids that won't build up in your chamber and pick up dust to erode your barrel.

  • My 1416 has been laying dormant for months now it might be time to wake it up. Before I put it away I worked on the extractor and ejection assist pieces a little bit taking material off of the elbow of the pieces. Very little with a diamond file and it ejected dummies just fine I even fired a couple of live rounds into the dirt and they flew out so maybe I have it. Sitting at a bench might be different I will see. I also ordered some trigger springs from some place, JP I think. This rifle has the sporter trigger in it which is fine it just stays around three pounds. Might get it a little lighter without putting out big bucks for a different trigger. Since I can't seem to get the a/c contractor out here to get my project going I might as well burn up some 22 rounds. Soon as I set the bench up he'll pull up in the driveway:(

  • A little trigger time cures many frustrations. I have some new toys that need airing out too. You have time to come to New Braunfels?

  • Well, an interesting day today. I got out and was gathering up some stuff to start breaking down my 1416 to put the trigger spring in and talked myself out of shooting. I don't know where the wind came from I thought the front was all done but we had a strong west wind so I gave rr2241tx a call and we burned up our cell phone batteries for about an hour. I promise one day I will make the drive to New Braunfels my wife is ready to go right now. Anyway I dissected my rifle and inserted the 14 ounce spring in it and wow they weren't lying. Might put the 14-21 ounce one in and mess with the overtravel again. I did all kinds of safety checks and it never failed but I didn't do the drop test I never do that one. Bumped it slammed the bolt flipped the safety on and off you name it. Went in for lunch and my wife announced there's a coyote headed for the tank berm. She spotted it while opening the window shades so I grabbed the first rifle out of the safe and eased outside to the fence for a rest. Let three rounds go and never saw an impact or dang sure didn't see the coyote do the death spin. Held over quite a bit then I remembered i was zeroed at fifty yards with my 22 mag. Three eighty to the berm didn't quite hold over enough. Coyote slowly walked away and stood on the top of the berm and surveyed the watering hole then disappeared. Last one that made the trip there wasn't so lucky. I did shoot the 1416 about 2:00 this afternoon and then a fresh norther blew in and I had to retreat. Had my bench set up at the rear overhead door of the shop and it faces due north so everything in the shop was getting blown over so I gave up. Did a few groups with RWS Rifle Match that were fair even with the high winds coming straight in guess I will wait for a calmer day to see if I can tighten up the groups. About 6:00 this evening we had fifteen or so deer messing around right behind the barn and a big assed black pig came through the fence and plowed through them right up the the fifty yard marker I had my target stand at. First pig we have had come harass the deer this fall. I grabbed the 22 off of the Polaris and walked right over to the gate and shot it in the head. Dang thing folded right there and deer scattered like quail a few moments later it got up and casually walked away did a u turn and came right back. I shot it right in front of its hind legs and it didn't like that one bit. Just got through screwing the suppressor on my 300 blackout and guess it's time to sight in my 22-250 maybe .243.

  • Dang! Bigfoot! Keep a real gun at hand. That pig woulda been good eating. Tricky getting the big ones to stay dead with a 22. Had one wake up in the back of my truck just as I slipped the gambrel through his hind legs once. Not a real good feeling eye to eye with a pissed off boar. The rope on the gambrel had him chasing me in circles until I got his rear wheels off the ground. Kinda dicey slitting his throat with him swiping back and forth with those cutters on the end of the lift rope. He ate just fine once he ran out of hydraulic pressure. I prefer not to have dinner chasing ME though.

  • @rr2241tx I have to unpack some artillery. I have to remount scopes on some rifles and unbox some ammo. Moving was a real pain if you know what I mean. I looked for an hour today for my torque wrench and screwdriver set just to pull the stock off of that rifle. I have three of everything and can't find one of anything.

  • I've always liked hunting with a 243. They use them for Black Bear in Northern Ontario.

  • @martino1 243 got a bad reputation from some folks. Tales of game running off after a solid hit and such. Light bullets are the big culprit and poor shot placement. Lots of young hunters first deer rifle is a .243 at least where I am from anyway and there are lots of adult hunters around here that are loyal to that caliber for sure. Faster twist barrels and heavier bullets have entered the market and some of the older calibers are ignored now. I am guessing commercial loading of .243 Winchester is limited to 115 grain maybe some 120's I shoot 90 grain and honestly never shot a deer with one. A few varmints, very few. Never shot anything with a .260 either just paper. My cousin had a 6mm Remington I guess you would call it a .243 on steroids I shot it a couple of times never hit anything though. Shot a couple of deer with a .257 Roberts and a pig or two not a lot of difference. 115 grain bullets neck shots on the deer at close range and head shots on pigs. DRT. What's the name of the improved version, Ackley? That will give them a little more horsepower.

  • @martino1 100grain bullets literally made the 243 Winchester reputation as a medium game round. I currently load a 95 gr A-Max because 100 gr CoreLokt was out of stock last time I needed more ammo. Can’t say that so far I have any complaints, certainly none from the white tails and feral hogs.

  • 243 win was a great cartridge in its time. That time has passed. The shallow shoulder angle and substantial body taper makes it just a bit too finicky on the load development front. While a guy could AI it, you would often run into magazine length problems with the heavier bullets. The 6mm Creedmoor has taken its place with significantly better case geometry.

  • @orkan Load development really only matters to reloaders, and we are a small, small proportion of the few percent of the population that hunt. Most hunters are happy to shoot factory ammo that can easily be replaced at the nearest convenience store. 243, 308, 270, and 30-06 can reliably be found at the grocery stores during hunting season, not so much for anything else. Keep in mind, we are shooting at less than 200 yards at deer that typically weigh less than we do. It's not remotely precision shooting.

  • @rr2241tx I'm quite aware of what the "majority" of shooters find acceptable.

    Their incompetence is demonstrated for all to see every single big game season.