Starting From Scratch on a Reloading Setup



  • It has become quickly apparent to me that reloading is in my very near future. I have been collecting some items already, but I need to see what else I am going to need. I will start watching sales, used market, etc and pick items up as I can.

    What I already have/have selected:
    Hornady comparator/headspace/mod cases/oal gauge for all my calibers
    A&D 300i scales (no thrower/trickler)
    CPS Primer
    Calipers/micrometers/etc (a machinist by profession)
    Forster Co-ax press (Don't have yet, everyone out of stock)

    What I know I need:
    Annealer
    Tumbler
    Dies (This is the area that I know the least about)
    Runout Gauge
    Case Trimmer
    Pocket Prep Tools

    So what am I missing? And what would be good choices for brands and models of these items? Not really a buy-cheap-now kind of guy, especially when it comes to tools. I would rather get solid equipment that will take me well down the road.



  • @flyinphill

    Trimmer: Giraud is the best trimmer by far

    Annealer: I have been pleased with my bench source annealer but don’t have any experience really with any others except for a friends annealez which sucks

    Dies: Forester and whidden are both good choices

    Tumbler: I have the smaller Dillon tumbler and it’s been rock steady for 15 years or so. I’ve been happy with it, I’ll go with the bigger one when it finally dies. I’m sure there are other good choices out there though

    As for primer pocket uniformers and flash hole deburs, starting with quality brass such as lapua will eliminate much of the need for these tools although they are still good to have around. I have a set of Lyman prep tools and they have served me well.



  • TRIMMER. I use a Wilson Sinclair trimmer. It's a slow process to trim cases but I find it very precise and consistent.

    ANNEALER. Bench Source... Greg recommended it... Good enough for me.

    DIES. Forster FL Resize, and Forster Micrometer Seating Dies. Another Greg recommend and working great. Slight differences in Base to Ogive seating depths seem to be a result of variances of bullet dimensions between the ogive and the meplat. Note I do not sort bullets. TS Benchmark barrels seem to be so forgiving, I don't find it necessary.

    Runout Guage. I got a Century 21 before he was a Goober to Greg. I'd check with Greg for a recommend.

    Tumbler. Hate mine. It's an old barrel type I bought over 30 years ago I don't see a brand. You take one side of the barrel off and put your cases in, replace the barrel end and the barrel rotates on its axis. MINE TAKES FOR EVER... I was waiting for its demise. Might just speed it along.



  • I have an extra Forster coax new in the box. I bought several of them a few years ago as a hedge investment and have one left. I would take $325 shipped for it. It will be repackaged in a large flat rate box...or I can get you the price difference for shipping in original box. If interested let me know.



  • @flyinphill said in Starting From Scratch on a Reloading Setup:

    So what am I missing? And what would be good choices for brands and models of these items?

    Here are some smaller items that weren’t in your list that can add up:

    1. powder funnel(s):
      -Xtreme or Area419

    2. Loading Trays:
      -custom or universal

    3. Reloading boxes or Bullet binders

    4. Primer Flip tray:
      -need to be able to flip all primers anvil down before loading into the CPS tubes. I thought @orkan was hinting about a better system in the works, but other than that, most any brand can get the job done (with some time shaking them on the ridges).

    5. Reloading Manual:
      Nice to have at least one to reference, rather than searching all over the internet

    6. Bullet Puller:
      At some point during your reloading adventures you will probably want to pull a bullet from the case without the firearm. Kinetic hammer types do better to salvage the projectile, but the powder gets thrown. Collet/clamp types mar the projectile but salvage the powder.

    Lastly, I’m not following on your intent on the powder throwing.
    If you aren’t getting that relatively newer auto system you will need some basic way to throw consistent amounts and trickle it on the scale.

    You sound like you are off to a great start.



  • Imperial sizing wax.

    Forster or Whidden dies. (if whidden, make sure die is cut with reamer, not single point)

    Accuracy One runout gauge seems nice.

    Giraud trimmer is nice, but I tire of dealing with the custom case holders.

    Pocket prep tools are not really necessary if you're buying good brass. Pocket and flash hole uniformers are cheap though.

    Short handle for your co-ax.

    Shell holder jaws for your co-ax. (it only comes with standard)

    Upgraded jaw holder for co-ax from Mike Manzella - Email manzgear@gmail.com

    Loading block from Mike Manzella - Email manzgear@gmail.com

    Thumlers tumbler - UV-18.

    Bench source annealer.

    Lee-autoprime-style shell holders for CPS. (sinclair sells em too)

    Extra primer tubes.

    Inline fabrication QD mounts for various presses/tools.

    https://amzn.to/2KwK2sJ - lyman prep center, good for manual chamfer.

    I'm sure there's far more I'm forgetting... but you can always call and ask me. :)



  • @midwestside said in Starting From Scratch on a Reloading Setup:

    Here are some smaller items that weren’t in your list that can add up:

    1. powder funnel(s):
      -Xtreme or Area419

    I don’t have much to add here, as I’m using most of the stuff that’s being recommended here.

    I have the 419 funnel, and while it works, it’s not optimum in my opinion. I find it’s too heavy, which causes the case it’s on to tip to the side, especially on small cases. Also I’m of the opinion that the hole that drops over the case neck needs more of a chamfer. It’s slow to move it from case to case when you get going.

    If hardcore funnels are the other option I’d go that way, but I haven’t tried them myself.



  • @tackyp said in Starting From Scratch on a Reloading Setup:

    I have the 419 funnel, and while it works, it’s not optimum in my opinion. I find it’s too heavy, which causes the case it’s on to tip to the side, especially on small cases. Also I’m of the opinion that the hole that drops over the case neck needs more of a chamfer. It’s slow to move it from case to case when you get going.
    If hardcore funnels are the other option I’d go that way, but I haven’t tried them myself.

    I've experienced similar "tippyness" if you aren't supporting the funnel with one hand while dumping with the other hand. I'd add that I think this is where custom reloading trays, or at least ones with holes bored with a casehead specific hole, shine. Area419 makes them, but like anything nice, they don't come cheap. Frankford Arsenal makes similar ones from polymer in lieu of aluminum, that are cheaper, but are much more secure than any "universal" tray makers out there with a square hole, or a relatively shallow "cup."

    And yes, prometheus owners can just thumb their noses at us! :P



  • @midwestside said in Starting From Scratch on a Reloading Setup:

    And yes, prometheus owners can just thumb their noses at us! :P

    536ab4a59c2553d0ae43480e7222ce41.jpg



  • @orkan now that is funny..



  • A paper clip to inspect the inside wall of the casings for anomalies.



  • @orkan said in Starting From Scratch on a Reloading Setup:

    Imperial sizing wax.

    Forster or Whidden dies. (if whidden, make sure die is cut with reamer, not single point)

    Accuracy One runout gauge seems nice.

    Giraud trimmer is nice, but I tire of dealing with the custom case holders.

    Pocket prep tools are not really necessary if you're buying good brass. Pocket and flash hole uniformers are cheap though.

    Short handle for your co-ax.

    Shell holder jaws for your co-ax. (it only comes with standard)

    Upgraded jaw holder for co-ax from Mike Manzella - Email manzgear@gmail.com

    Loading block from Mike Manzella - Email manzgear@gmail.com

    Thumlers tumbler - UV-18.

    Bench source annealer.

    Lee-autoprime-style shell holders for CPS. (sinclair sells em too)

    Extra primer tubes.

    Inline fabrication QD mounts for various presses/tools.

    https://amzn.to/2KwK2sJ - lyman prep center, good for manual chamfer.

    I'm sure there's far more I'm forgetting... but you can always call and ask me. :)

    Orkan did you get a chance to test the industrial UV 18 Tumbler(blue Stipe)? I recall you said you had the yellow stripe model. The industrial is about $170 more.


 

Looks like your connection to Gunhive was lost, please wait while we try to reconnect.