Youtube has turned anti- gun
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Now YouTube is going to start this crap. That is going to suck.
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They’ve always been anti gun (well since google got ahold of them), but they’ve never been able to make a profit.
Now they’re making a profit I guess, so they don’t need our views.
Hopefully someone creates an alternative.
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The problem with not being to use the number one used media platforms is lack of exposure on alternates.
This constant silencing of our voice will have consequences. Mark my words.
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@orkan said:
The problem with not being to use the number one used media platforms is lack of exposure on alternates.
This constant silencing of our voice will have consequences. Mark my words.
I hope those consequences are not attributed to something else by the media. Look at how much play the Parkland shooting is getting relative to the Maryland shooting where a shooter was stopped by a gun on school grounds!!
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GunTube! We need to start it now.
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@dddoo7 said:
GunTube! We need to start it now.
Yeah MAC (Military Arms Channel) started Full 30 with that idea. But in my humble opinion, he's spending so much time fighting YouTube and not growing his own platform, it has yet to have taken off. I'm not saying that the 2A people shouldn't fight YouTube, but its a private company that do as they want. Why people continue to support it I don't understand. On the same principal is Facebook. Haven't had it in years and don't miss it.
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@norcal_in_az We have looked at full30, trying to sign up and setup a presence there... it's not intuitive AT ALL.
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@orkan Yeah I remember you saying that before. Its sad really, the platform is there, the need is there, but no follow through has made it not launch.
What we really need is a sight that is open to all topics without censorship period.
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Vimeo may be the best option currently, but I believe you have to pay to host videos there. The thing is for the big channels if they just got a sponsor then the cost could be pretty easily covered from the guys I’ve talked to.
However because you pay and enter a contract there’s a better chance that they’re not going to cut you off as well.
I don’t know if something like GunTube would be effective, I don’t know that it has a broad enough appeal.
YouTubes appeal isn’t the gun channels, it’s everything, need to fix something on your car? You can probably find it on YouTube, or any other thing.
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Vimeo says flat out in their terms they will ban videos where animals are killed or hurt.
There are hunting videos there... but if they have that in their terms right now, it will only get worse.
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Gunbroker went when eBay wouldn’t allow gun sales. I believe guntube would go if it could get a following.
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Ok this is absolutely awesome.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/03/chris-heuss/inrange-tv-posting-gun-videos-on-pornhub/
Ian and Karl from Inrange TV are posting some videos to a platform that is as anti-censorship as you can get . . .
Pornhub.
What a fantastic idea. It's a tough pill to swallow to think that porn sites are now the most appropriate places to avoid censorship... but that is the reality of the world we live in right now.
I'm not OK with lots of things about porn... but I'm LESS ok with censorship. Who can be more anti-censorship than a porn site? Gun Porn just took on a whole new and unexpected meaning. lol
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@orkan said:
Vimeo says flat out in their terms they will ban videos where animals are killed or hurt.
There are hunting videos there... but if they have that in their terms right now, it will only get worse.I can understand that type of ban because there are Sick Fuckheads who find it entertainment to shoot whether clean or bad hit to do that to dogs and cats just to watch them die. Then you have those who do the same to game animals, like the one I seen where this asshole who just bought a .50cal and wanted to see what it would do to a big game animal. Those people are just dicks that IMO have no business owning a weapon system of any kind because they have no respect for what they are using.
To police that kind of crap ass behavior would be extremely daunghting and consume an incredible amount of time. I for one do not want to see any animal suffer from a bad shot but you have others that find it entertainment to watch it scream, run and flop around in pain. So i understand the best way to handle that is to just not allow those videos.
I for one really enjoy watching your target hits far better Greg and watching you put holes in holes showing your skill set but that is just me and I'm just one guy so it probably doesn't matter much.
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@datec said:
@orkan said:
Vimeo says flat out in their terms they will ban videos where animals are killed or hurt.
There are hunting videos there... but if they have that in their terms right now, it will only get worse.I can understand that type of ban because there are Sick Fuckheads who find it entertainment to shoot whether clean or bad hit to do that to dogs and cats just to watch them die. Then you have those who do the same to game animals, like the one I seen where this asshole who just bought a .50cal and wanted to see what it would do to a big game animal. Those people are just dicks that IMO have no business owning a weapon system of any kind because they have no respect for what they are using.
To police that kind of crap ass behavior would be extremely daunghting and consume an incredible amount of time. I for one do not want to see any animal suffer from a bad shot but you have others that find it entertainment to watch it scream, run and flop around in pain. So i understand the best way to handle that is to just not allow those videos.
I for one really enjoy watching your target hits far better Greg and watching you put holes in holes showing your skill set but that is just me and I'm just one guy so it probably doesn't matter much.
I understand the motivation to censor based on good intentions, the problem is the value set of the one doing the censoring. If the censor is a member of PITA, well you get the idea.
The Patriot Act was adopted to help catch money laundering and funding for terrorism. The tools provided to the law enforcement have been used for many things WAY BEYOND THE STATED INTENT OF THE LAW. Orkan's argued his distrust of government and law enforcement and I'm tending to agree when I see how things go like the FCC vote on Net Neutrality. The vast majority of the public did not want the rule to be reversed, yet they did it anyway.
It seems that the government acts like selfish little children. They do whatever they want if the public is not watching or paying attention. The more I see this behavior, the more I distrust those who claim to serve the public.
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Censorship is censorship, and it's all bad.
All censorship restricts information.
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The purpose of censorship is to keep people from accessing information that someone else views as wrong or offensive. Do I not have free will? Do I not have the ability and responsibility to avoid sinful and evil material? If I don't have the self control to avoid those things, then my heart is not right anyway.
Now...the problem becomes the standards of the person doing the censorship. What authority do they have to tell me what I can and cannot access and see? It very likely may be the case that some things that they might find offensive or "wrong" are actually good and just. When man is in control of morals...they will always go down hill.
God has already determined what is right and what is wrong and I need to apply His standards and censor my own mind. Self control. He nowhere gives me the right to censor others...but only to teach them to control themselves and censor their mind as well. The whole principle is to stop evil by convincing people to do right. One will never stop evil by FORCING others to do right (censorship).
Y'all are probably tired of my preaching. LOL.
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I guess, for me at least, I do feel somethings such as the video taped sinceless killing and torture of animals, the rape and beating of a woman, child porn etc that can be found on sites should be stopped, does anyone feel those are things that should not be stopped?
I for one feel YES those should be stopped. Why? Because of the absolutely stupid Fucks that feel the need to try and one-up the Fuck that posted the video of the act. To allow these IMO gives the poster a sense of validity in that "it's ok with what I did, I think I'll do it again" these people have a 3yr old mentality like when your kid swore for the first time and everyone laughed (we all laughed when that happened) but when you laugh the child keeps doing it thinking it is alright because everyone laughed. The big exception to that is this is the web and for the most part these are adults (age wise) and good people are not present to help stop their actions.
Not even the almighty GOD can or will stop their actions. Why? IMO because he gave the me and other good people the ability and balls to confront and correct the bad doings of others.
The problem in all that is there is probably 1 out of 500 that will stand and fight for what is right the rest will run and hide like scared pussies.
Here are 2 examples.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/french-hero-officer-swapped-himself-hostage-dies-053507302.html
In the IHOP restaurant every customer, and there were plenty, bailed on him and wouldn't help one bit, what a Fucking bunch of pussies. The manager had balls and did the right thing.
The officer had major balls and did everything he could and then some, GOD rest his soul the rest of the captives did nothing but let him fight.
Take GOD out of the equation he will do nothing to stop the crap that goes on because he gave you the ability to, you just have to figure out how to use it. These two did, you have to really think about what you would do, I say something is better then nothing. If you do nothing then you have nothing to say or add.
These comments are not directly directed towards anyone here Just a blanket statement and opinion, and yes I still have your back in a bar fight (you know who you are).
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Many of the things you brought up include more than ONLY censorship. Example: Child porn. Now you are not just discussing censorship, but the treatment of the helpless. When those who are helpless are mistreated for "art" or whatever they want to call it, then we as good and Godly people have an obligation to stand up for them and not by just "censoring" their videos, but stopping their mistreatment of the innocent. I am not saying stand by and do nothing in these situations.
I am also not saying to stand by and do nothing in strictly censorship situations. There are many things on the internet that are Biblically wrong and it is our place as Christians to stand up and say that they are wrong. It is our place to teach against them and to teach that which the Bible teaches on the matter. It is not and never was however our place to force people to do what is right shy of defending the innocent.
Censorship is a difficult topic. Many think that it does not exist in America due to the first amendment, however censorship has slowly been creeping in over the last several years and it is fixing to get worse. Do you want to know where government censorship will lead? Right now we live in a nation where our government has deemed that homosexuality is right. Those who speak out against homosexuality are very quickly shunned, reprimanded, demoted, or otherwise. How long will it be before it is a "hate crime" to speak out against the sin of homosexuality? How is that not censorship?
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@datec you are confusing censorship with behavior. I just don't have the time right now to go point by point blowing holes in your arguments, though it should suffice to say that you are talking about controlling people's behavior. From a moral right/wrong perspective this is cut and dried when it comes to rape/torture/etc.
Did you ever consider that the presence of the information is NOT to blame for the actions of those that follow? The concept that the information causes behavior is the logic that every dictator in history has used to control people. You can not advocate for censorship and simultaneously advocate for freedom. The two are directly and absolutely opposed.
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There will always be 2 sides to every discussion and from that common ground from 2 level head parties can be reached. My point with the video comment is in regards to sometimes the video can instigate bad behavior and get some to do bad things just because they got the idea from watching it. Not that they may or may not have had some sort of issue before hand but it seem that when videos of an act (look at the progression of the BLM dicks and their behavior) in fact just after I posted that and went back to the home page this popped up.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/teenagers-raped-girl-streamed-attack-135612259.html
This sort of video stuff is a progressive slippery slope. There are some sick people that get turned on from this and will post it somewhere and then the next sick person has to out do it. Now yes I agree that this is a persons bad behavior that needs to be addressed quickly and swiftly without regard to how he feels about it but someone somewhere will post it and that is just something that needs to be taken down (censored, if you will) and not shown.
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@datec said:
There will always be 2 sides to every discussion and from that common ground from 2 level head parties can be reached. My point with the video comment is in regards to sometimes the video can instigate bad behavior and get some to do bad things just because they got the idea from watching it. Not that they may or may not have had some sort of issue before hand but it seem that when videos of an act (look at the progression of the BLM dicks and their behavior) in fact just after I posted that and went back to the home page this popped up.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/teenagers-raped-girl-streamed-attack-135612259.html
This sort of video stuff is a progressive slippery slope. There are some sick people that get turned on from this and will post it somewhere and then the next sick person has to out do it. Now yes I agree that this is a persons bad behavior that needs to be addressed quickly and swiftly without regard to how he feels about it but someone somewhere will post it and that is just something that needs to be taken down (censored, if you will) and not shown.
Then you simply do not believe in freedom. You can not support freedom and try to censor information at the same time. If an immoral act is captured on video, it is PROOF of the immoral act... nothing more. The people involved in the immoral act are the ones that need punished. There's an argument to be made for someone watching/videoing an immoral act being immoral for not acting against it... but that is another conversation. Clearly if they are involved in the crime, then they should be punished. The video is neither evil nor good... it is simply an account of that event. A very good one at that. Better than a story or a series of pictures. It documents evil in the article you linked. That video however, in that article, was used for great good... as it serves as irrefutable proof of the crime and will lead to the punishment of those involved.
I'm a grown adult. Watching a immoral or illegal act does not make me want to act illegally or immorally. Even if it did, my actions are MY OWN and can not be justified by any number of videos I watched. What you do is what you do... YOUR OWN CHOICES. Information is neither good nor evil. Actions based on that information are certainly good or evil. Your argument to the contrary is the same argument the anti's use when trying to restrict firearm ownership. They claim the mere presence of firearms creates violence. You claim the mere presence of violent videos creates violence. Anti's blame firearms. You blame videos. Both dead wrong because you neglect to understand that each person is responsible for themselves and will suffer the consequences of their actions.
You are afraid because you think people will do bad things when exposed to bad words or bad videos. That is irrational and not in keeping with liberty or individual accountability. If people watch bad videos and feel empowered to do bad things, it is a problem with those people... NOT the information they consumed.
The very bedrock of freedom is built of this concept, and because this country is full of people that want to restrict information based on "feelings" and "popularity," we will never know freedom.
Now that I've laid it out as succinctly and completely as possible, I await the inevitable cognitive dissonance response that I've grown so tired of and yet so accustomed to. I'm not interested in common ground with those that would restrict information under the illusion it will make things safer any more than I'm interested in common ground with those that think removing firearms will make us safer.
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I do understand where you are coming from and where you stand, I really do.
Reading your post over a couple times, I guess I have to work on the fact that simply because I find something repulsive and disgusting doesn't mean the info shouldn't be out there so others may learn from it. Just as the info about guns and shooting is out there so others can learn, including myself.
Perhaps some of the Anti's find what I have posted as repulsive to be intriguing and fun to watch just as I find guns and shooting fun to watch. I would guess indirectly I would be viewing myself as being better then them and more entitled then them, which I am not.
Gotta do some more soul searching.
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I came across this post and thought I would share. I do not know the author maybe some of you do.
Dear YouTube,
YouTube’s latest gun policy demonstrates that Alphabet has chosen to align itself with those working to erode freedom and deny individuals of their rights.
The right to keep and bear arms is inalienable to human beings. It is derived from human nature itself. Institutional recognition of the right to life and all other inalienable rights derived therefrom, is essential for peaceful life on earth. The right to keep and bear arms safeguards humanity from tyrannical government and institutionally sanctioned mass murder, of which history has too many examples.
Many gun owners know this to be true. They value personal freedom above all else, regarding it as essential as the air they breathe. They are deeply offended by the systematic erosion of freedom, perpetrated by government officials elected by people devoid of the philosophical foundation essential for moral decision making.
The denial of any right can only be carried out coercively, that is by force or by the threat of force. When official representatives of a government or an institution attempt to deny an individual of a basic right and are met with resistance, invariably an instrument of force, be it a gun, knife, or club is produced by those officials and used to coerce the individual into submission.
There is no such right as the right to work towards the denial of any other right. Moreover, advocacy of coercion is an attack on personal freedom and thus it is itself and act of coercion.
Therefore, by siding with those who work to deny others of the inalienable right to keep and bear arms, YouTube is implicitly supporting the most frightening kind of coercive behavior, that which is perpetrated institutionally.
Because rights can only be violated by force, only by force can they be preserved.
I have the answer for all the dim witted and undereducated people who ask, “Why do you need a gun?” Killing is the answer. All rational people need a gun so that they can come together and kill those who would attempt to forcefully deny them of their individual rights, any of them. Make no mistake about it. This is one of the most important building blocks of peaceful civilization. The United States government maintains a nuclear arsenal for the same reason, to kill those who would forcefully deny the citizen of the United States the right to live their lives and pursue their happiness. The citizens of this wonderful country delegate their right of self-defense to the government but our government must be checked by the people from whom its power is derived. The people are the first branch of government. The Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial are the second, third, and forth. Without a well-armed citizenry, a government of rational people, by rational people, and for rational people cannot exist.
Unfortunately, the current state of the government renders it untrustworthy, at least for rational people. It is a well-known fact that elected officials across all levels of government can be purchased and therefore laws can be purchased, usually to gain advantageous positions within a marketplace that would otherwise be free and self-correcting. Our government is also largely a product of mob-rule, branded as democracy. The mob is an ignorant bunch who know nothing of building a political framework on a moral foundation philosophically embedded in metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics. Crafting a political framework based on the whimsical faith of the mob will ultimately lead to nothing but human suffering, as it so often has throughout history. Conflicts rooted in faith either remain unresolved or are resolved by force. No other alternative is possible.
In the wake of a school shooting, the mob will devour tales of gun control fed to them by knowingly divisive people while absolutely nothing is said about indicting public education, public and therefore pathetic at best, for stifling the development of millions of minds every day. Is it not true the public schools are complicit in shaping the minds of children? Why then is the emergence of a homicidal monster from a public school surprising to anyone? Public schools are an obsolete relic preserved by politicians at all levels who have been bought by teacher’s unions across the country. The survival of these unions depend on funds forcefully and unjustly taken by government from millions of people and diverted into a failing system, the persistence of which mathematically depends on mediocre performance at best. Free market examples of education prove beyond doubt that high-quality education can be had for surprisingly low cost while earning top educators millions. So, I ask you, dim-witted mobster, why then would you entrust the development of the most precious thing in the universe, the mind of a human child, to people who have proven themselves to be corrupt and unscrupulous?
Scientists and engineers are familiar with the concept of positive feedback which is the enhancement or amplification of an effect by its own influence on the process that gives rise to it. That is a good definition and I got it from the dictionary.
Positive feedback can be either desirable or undesirable. An example of desirable positive feedback is compounding interest returning on an investment, the dividends from which are reinvested thus increasing the rate of return. An example of undesirable positive feedback is an infection of flesh-eating bacteria. As the bacteria eats your flesh, they gain the nutrients needed to multiply and thus consume your flesh at an ever-increasing rate until you are dead.
Stupid people fucking is another example of undesirable positive feedback that is frighteningly similar to the flesh-eating bacteria example. Here’s how it goes. Fucking is easy. Even the dumbest people can do it. When they do, they sometimes produce another person, whom we will call Ernie for this example, and they attempt to keep him alive long enough to transfer what life-sustaining responsibility they can to a public school run by idiots. Little Ernie doesn’t stand a chance because both his parents and teachers are morons. Nevertheless, he grows up on a diet of nicotine and government subsidized food stuff unfit for human consumption. At no point did anyone tell poor Ernie about the importance of philosophy for establishing his ethical code of conduct. Ernie doesn’t know what philosophy is, let alone that it is responsible for every human achievement that has assuaged human suffering throughout the ages. He knows nothing of the monumental epistemological achievements that are logic and the scientific method. So Ernie lives life, surviving day to day, doing what little he can to keep food in his belly and nicotine in what’s left of his brain. He never gains on life to realize personal fulfillment and the free time to pursue his ambitions, that is if he knew enough to have ambitions. The hard life finally catches up to Ernie and his health deteriorates but not before he spawns a couple of Ernie juniors of his own because, remember, fucking is easy, even for dummies like Ernie. His need for survival leads him to a hospital which will treat his chronic illness into perpetuity at the expense of those who can actually create wealth. Even worse, Ernie learns how to vote from a Democrat who tells Ernie that health care at the expense of others is his right. Ernie doesn’t have the philosophical tools to know that such a notion is preposterous, but he does know that if he votes for the Democrat, others will pay the price for his bad behavior so that he may live for a few more years to smoke cigarettes and eat more government subsidized crap. And since the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, the little Ernie juniors that he spawned eventually grow up to be just like their worthless dad. Pretty soon, we’re living in a country full of people just like Ernie, a flesh-eating bacteria, voting for the government cultivation of dependency, because his survival now depends on it. The government’s dependency engines, those being public education, subsidized food stuff (not to be confused with actual food) and publicly financed health care will not only be preserved, but expanded in an effort to sustain more bacteria. Politicians will garner power from the voting bacteria, until the bacteria has eaten all available flesh, that being the output confiscated by government at the point of a gun from those who are capable of producing it by living in accordance with a philosophical code fit for humans. Rational people need guns so that they can resist this totalitarian onslaught.
Our government, some of which is fantastic, suffers from systemic corruption that has led to human suffering as it can only do. Our government is abdicating its responsibility to carry out its most solemn duty, which is defending and securing individual rights. It has created a caustic environment in which wonderful little minds are tragically and systemically transformed into Ernie-like monsters. As a matter of policy, leftist groups advocate for the confiscation of both wealth and the means for securing it. They advocate that the power to dispose of over one-half of the wealth created by the productive citizens of this county is best left to the 535 members of Congress rather than to those who created it. They advocate that no one should possess a lethal means of defending themselves or their livelihood and that such defense is best left to some far-away authority. Such irrational and absurd notions are both frightening and threatening. What would you expect any rational person to do in the face of that threat? They will arm themselves as millions have. And if the trend towards totalitarianism continues, they will have no choice but to organize themselves and take action that will ultimately turn violent when rational arguments fall on deaf ears.
I may not be the last person to resign myself to an armed civil conflict within the United States but I am certainly far from the first. I would prefer to live under a political framework conducive to peaceful coexistence among people who can live freely to pursue their dreams and who are respectful of the rights of all others to do the same, thus offering no obstruction. The long-term preservation of such a framework is only possible with a government, derived from a powerful and independent citizenry, and committed to the defense and security of individual rights. Such power can only be delegated by and derived from people who possess it, people who are armed.
So YouTube, on behalf of myself and the millions of gun owners from around the world, many of whom I have met, I ask you to reconsider your stance on the issue of guns and continue to allow the publication of gun related videos enjoyed by so many. Guns are important. They are more than just toys enjoyed by millions. The Founding Fathers of the United States knew as much. With revolution fresh on their minds they made a point of recognizing and protecting the right to keep and bear arms by its early inclusion into the US Constitution. If the right to keep and bear arms is forcefully denied, then no other right can be safe.
Sincerely,
Theodore Karagias
President
American Rifle Company
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Also came across this site.
http://1776tv.com/
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@orkan When I went onto Full30 tonight there was a banner to click saying they're opening their platform to all creators. Maybe something for you to look into...
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I sure hope that they have some full time IT staff ready to handle the growth and plenty of money to invest in upgrades.
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@orkan said:
.... Who can be more anti-censorship than a porn site? Gun Porn just took on a whole new and unexpected meaning. lol
Well, that didn't last long if this link & info is valid:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/04/01/pornhub-bans-gun-videos/
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Did that actually happen or was it just an april fools story?
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https://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=inrange
Looks like there are still gun videos to me.
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Ha! I was looking for the 4/1 dated article. It was in url address, but not at the top of the article.I Should have read the comments. Oops.
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Well I bet there won’t be any gun videos on there after today.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/03/gunshots-reported-at-youtube-headquarters-in-california.html
KGO-TV reported the shooter was believed to be a white woman wearing a headscarf and a dark top, but police did not immediately confirm it.
🤔
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Probably staged by them.
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@orkan said:
https://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=inrange
Looks like there are still gun videos to me.
God I can hear it now, Nooo hunny, I'm just watching gun videos.... LOL.
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YouTube shooter identified as left-wing Farsi-speaking VEGAN named Nasim Aghdam; ranted against YouTube for censorship, demonetization...
... and yet they still only want to talk about guns. Not about the fact that their own policies of censorship created this situation among a FAR LEFT wing VEGAN user of theirs. One of THEIR OWN went to their office and shot them up, and they still can't get a clue.
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@rhyno said:
At least one guy gets it:
GARANTEED THAT DIDNT GET ANY MORE PLAY THEN ONE TIME IN THE MEDIA. UNLIKE THE ANTI GUN COVERAGE.
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I think we really need to start CALLING OUT these news outlets when they play their anti gun rhetoric to death. I live about 15-20 miles from Parkland and frankly I'm sick of seeing the over the top graphics that the news outlets are using to lead into another story about high school kids promoting more gun control.
If we all started calling out these Jack Holes in numbers, I think they might listen. Lets take a page from their play book. Lets contact their advertisers and tell them we wont buy from them because of the biased coverage of the station they advertise on
Only one media outlet that drew a correlation with the School Resource Office taking action and the ultimate result in Maryland vs the result in Florida. I only heard it once....
I'm getting really fed up with this one-sided news.
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@martino1
Just out of curiosity is parkland as big of a mad house as the media has lead on right now? Or is that also their fake ass bullshit news too?
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@martino1 Gun owners are their enemy. We, are their enemy. Do you care what your enemies think?
For 75+ years we have talked, and made our voices known. The left just goes further left.
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@bull81 said:
@martino1
Just out of curiosity is parkland as big of a mad house as the media has lead on right now? Or is that also their fake ass bullshit news too?I have avoided that area entirely because of the protests. Parkland is a fairly wealthy area.
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@martino1 don’t blame you a bit, just curious if it was all for show.
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@orkan said:
@martino1 Gun owners are their enemy. We, are their enemy. Do you care what your enemies think?
For 75+ years we have talked, and made our voices known. The left just goes further left.
You've got enemies and then you've got motivated enemies that you've PO'ed so badly that they pull out all the stops to take you down. In war a motivated enemy is more difficult to defeat.
I don't remember the name of the guy on the video that I saw but he was the one that had a banner that said I'm Pro-Gun Change my mind. He was well equipped with facts regarding Gun ownership & gun crimes and during interviews with individuals. His facts wouldn't change the extreme lefties but those on the fence, maybe.
I agree with you that the left is not going to change regardless of the facts that they are wrong, but the ones on the fence. It would be great if we converted those to the pro gun side.. I've taken people on the fence shooting and several of them are pro gun advocates..
I'm mad as hell at all the lefties but as in war you shouldn't let your enemies know your strategy or let them see you coming.
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It's already widely known that the anti-gun crowd is a far left minority with the loudest voice. Those on the fence, will be swayed either way, and can be swayed back easily... as they will change their stance based on who they are around and trying to fit in with.
People try to make this issue complex, and it isn't complex at all. It's simple.
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The problem isn’t guns and the elite far left is very much aware of this. They could care less about the well being of anyone other than themselves. This is proved by their lack of effort to make changes that would actually help fix problems and save lives related to and unrelated to guns. Their main issue with guns is it gets in their way of having full control over the population. We call them stupid, idiots, morons, etc... when in reality they are very smart driven individuals with a hunger for power and control. They brain wash all the actual stupid, idiots into believing their bullshit and use them to fight for their agenda. These “useful idiots” do not realize they are fighting/protesting to end live as they know it. Being a far left extremist should be considered treason as it goes against everything this country was built around.
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@martino1 said:
I don't remember the name of the guy on the video that I saw but he was the one that had a banner that said I'm Pro-Gun Change my mind.
That's Louder with (steven) crowder. And worth about 100x facepalms at some of the answers to the questions.
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It would be nice if we had a repository here of the myths and facts we could present to friends and family. Something short and sweet. Here's the myth and here's the truth and the independent source of that truth...
I had a client come into my office the other day and she mentioned that she was going to a march out in Parkland. I asked why. She said to help end gun violence.
I responded by saying that the media only shows instances where guns are used for bad reasons and the media plays those stories over and over and ignores the good things that having guns did. I pulled out the NRA magazine Shooting Illustrated and turned to the Armed Citizen section and asked her to read all those instances that didn't make it to the national new because it didn't fit the medias agenda. She did say that she wished she hadn't said anything and I know she was going to the rally no matter what I said but, Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Well you have fun with the good fight.
15 years ago I would have agreed. I'll check in with you after about 10-15 years and we'll see if you think your activities have helped shape national policy.
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@orkan said:
Well you have fun with the good fight.
15 years ago I would have agreed. I'll check in with you after about 10-15 years and we'll see if you think your activities have helped shape national policy.
In my profession, I already have. Several times. In most of my cases it was a matter of letting the right people know the detrimental impact on their interests or their operations. Most instances it was accomplished with one or two calls. I don't see that happening here so easily because I do not know the ground rules. This is a politically charged topic Maybe some day I'll pick your brain and see what you've done so I don't waste my efforts.
BTW thanks Midwestside for the info on Louder. Just sent him a msg.
