Would you like to know a mistake I've made?
Some seem to think I'm infallible. While I do make a habit out of being right, sometimes things do not go as planned. Lack of experience leads me to make a purchase that I later regret. Yes, I do it too... and I use those experiences to help others not make the same mistake.
I give you, the John's Guns integrally suppressed Ruger 77/22.
Good looking rifle. Very very quiet. With CCI-Quiet ammo, it is the quietest 22lr I've ever heard. The problem is the accuracy/precision of the rifle. At the very best, it will hold about 1.25" at 50yds. Because it's integrally suppressed, rebarreling it isn't an expedient option. Because it has a tax stamp attached to it, in my name... I can't sell it without taking a beating. I can't sell it in good conscience anyway with how terrible it shoots. I've tried every trick in the book to get this thing to shoot right, but it just won't. I called the creator of this rifle and complained and their response was "what do you expect from a 22lr?!?!?" No help at all.
Now I know. Now I know that integrally suppressed firearms are a very bad idea.
A $1600 lesson which I haven't forgot. Perhaps I'll find a use for this thing some day. Maybe I'll transfer it to our FFL/SOT and try to sell it to someone that's looking for real quiet but doesn't care about accuracy. It's a good looking full size 22 rifle that functions fine. ... but when I have a fleet of 40X's, Anschutz's, and various other rimfires that will hammer a dime at 50yds on command... it's hard to reach for this one.
I’ve always thought the intergeally suppressed things were “neat” but would be a pain if you ever had to rebarrel one.
Theres another option, wait for hell to free over and with it the probability that suppressors were deregulated lol.
@orkan Didn't Mike at Tac ops make an integral suppressed 22 at one time?
Yes, which was where I got the idea for this. I called tac ops back then and he was forward about the accuracy potential. These guys claimed theirs shot way better. I was quoted half-inch at 50yds.
Hey Greg; Looks like that thing shoots nearly as bad as the PWS T3 Summit I had. Told a guy how bad it shot and he thought he could get it to shoot so bought it. 1 week later he emailed me to tell me I was right. He couldn't get it to shoot either. Sold it cheap shortly after. Wayne
Mike used to build a green hornet on this same action. The last one being made on Tac ops supplied rifle is in production right now and already sold.
I have always thought I would love to have one because the concept is cool. Yet Mike was clear that their accuracy performance is not at a 40x level. Therefore I have no need for one. They might have their purpose other places...but I don't need one.
Has anyone ever tried an integral .22 pistol?
I have. Ported models are very quiet. ... but again, going the traditional screw on suppressor route seems to be more sensible to me.
I've always been interested in the De Lisle Carbine:
But I have not done much research about the levels of accuracy.
They mention a .22 prototype in the wiki article.
Thanks for sharing your honest results with the 77/22.