Good Cop/Bad Cop



  • Ok, lets have it here.

    Prior to my employment I've never had a negative run in with law enforcement. Maybe I make different life choices or I'm lucky. Sample size of one.

    Most of police want to serve their community, I sure as hell do. I maintain the problem is a few bad apples.

    I also pose the question: Does this country have a police brutality problem?

    Lets hear stories.

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  • @ragnarnar I’m no angle but I’m also no criminal. Personally I’ve never been a “victim” of police brutality but I have been a victim of many many accounts of police abusing their authority. I’ve had police repeatedly slam the doors of my truck parked outside my apartment because they assumed I was under age while sitting on my front porch with a beer before ever even checking my ID. I had them take rifles from my truck and screw with the turrets laughing as they did it. I’ve been arrested for simply asking why I was stopped, and had my truck destroyed while it was searched and all my personal belongings thrown out in the ditch. I could keep going on and on but I think my points been made. Just to clarify before anyone jumps to conclusions about me, I’ve never been into drugs of any kind or a big partier/drinker, and am usally pretty mild mannered until I’m treated with deliberate disrespect. With all that said I believe there are good cops and bad, the bad give the good a bad reputation. There are very very few that do not in some way big or small abuse their authority.



  • Is the "a few bad apples" approach any consolation to innocent people that have been targeted by police?

    @bull81 said:

    There are very very few that do not in some way big or small abuse their authority.

    VERY few indeed. ... and that's not even mentioning the ridiculous number of totally out of control prosecutors.



  • End Qualified Immunity and the taxpayers having to pay off on Civil Suits and a lot of the problem goes away.
    End Civil Asset Forfeiture until after a Jury reaches a guilty verdict.

    Many rural areas could get by with a largely volunteer Sheriff Department much like Fire Fighting.

    Most police work is Cleanup on Isle 6 type of after the fact anyhow.



  • Part of the training that LEOs (that acronym can reference law enforcement officers, or, as I call them, legally entitled to oppress) receive is in how to lie and get away with it.

    These “legal” lies can include telling a suspect that police have evidence they don’t have, or have obtained confessions they have not obtained, or even posing as a prisoner in a jail cell who is simply “shooting the breeze” with a fellow prisoner with the express purpose of obtaining evidence of a crime.

    https://personalliberty.com/cops-are-trained-liars-and-courts-have-sanctioned-the-practice/

    99% of the Lawyers make the rest look bad.

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  • Peel's Principles of Policing have been lost on many departments.
    I will post them when I'm home.
    Shopping for 44 and 9mm right now.
    Future Son-in-law has a long ported barrel 44 Magnum his grandfather left to him.

    Guess I'll have to get dies for it too.



  • Hey Hypo still waiting on Peel's Principles.

    As far as my experience with LE. About 17 years ago I had a red corvette and I got a speeding ticket for 72 in a 55 and I literally had the cruise set on 55. I was a little steamed about that but got over it.

    Just recently I was heading over to my local gun shop and I was looking at the GPS on my phone while driving and ran a yellow/red light. Got pulled over. I provided both by DL and my carry to the officer. He asked me if I was carrying and I said of course. He called in another unit and asked me to keep my hands where he could see them. I put them on the door window sill. He said that wasn't necessary and the steering wheel would be just fine. He called another unit in to check the validity of the Carry Lic.. Meanwhile were talked about where what I shoot and what kind of db reduction I was expecting from the suppressor I was getting. Everything checked out fine and at the end the cop asked, "you know why I stopped you don't you?" I said yes it was my fault and that I got turned around and I was looking at my GPS. I had no intention of running the light. He let me go with a, "don't do it again."

    I treat cops with respect and I've been treated well in return, in general. I've never been in a high profile situation where DA's and defense attorneys were involved.

    I recently heard about an insurance policy from a handgun shooting instructor that covers legal costs in the event you shoot someone in self defense. He said that most policies require that you pa\pay the company back for legal expenses they cover if you are found guilty of a reduced crime somehow but there was a company out there that didn't require it. He it wasn't through NRA and said it cost about $12-15/mo. Might need to track that company down. It might help if I run into that Bad Apple.

    Regardless With Cops, I treat them the way I'd like to be treated if I were holding the badge, bracelets and a gun and had a tough job to do..... With Respect...



  • https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/policing-by-consent/definition-of-policing-by-consent

    The principles which were set out in the ‘General Instructions’ that were issued to every new police officer from 1829 were:

    To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
    To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
    To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
    To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
    To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion; but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour; and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
    To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
    To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
    To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
    To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.



  • If modern cops followed that list AT ALL, there would literally be no one except the very worst of society that disliked cops. Instead cops demand you obey every single thing they say, no matter how grievous the damage to your rights are, and if you don't immediately comply like a mindless drone, they escalate force as far as they possibly can without losing their jobs. That's why it's so important to have a camera on them at ALL TIMES in any situation you're involved in, and especially those where cops are present. Dash cams and stealth body cams, with audio. Technology is GREAT! :)

    People of Peel's day also didn't count on the fact that there would be so many laws written that every human being will break an average of 8 of them per day.





  • said:

    I want to see the video.

    The video is out. I've seen it... just don't recall where.

    Disgusting to watch... but completely unsurprising.



  • http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/11/robert-farago/chicago-cop-marco-proano-faces-8-years-in-jail-for-shooting-16-rounds-into-stolen-car/

    Right around 1:50 in the video you can see him start shooting. Textbook brainless inner city thug handgun technique is demonstrated.



  • @orkan If he had killed one of the kids, under Federal Law, he could have gotten the Death Penalty.

    https://www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-law

    Don't know the last time that ever occurred.

    State Court would have only been a Civil Case most likely.


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